An interview between Rafa’t Al-Sa’id of the Tagammu’ Party (who is fiercely critical of the Muslim Brotherhood), and Saleem ’Azouz (the interviewer). He says: "A religious [political] party will start or directly lead to terrorism. I tell you frankly that politicization of religion or religionization of politics will lead to emergence of a political party that claims it represents the religion. If this happens, those who will oppose will be [labeled] ’unbelievers’... "